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Status from TocEdit
Nice for me to be back. I keep shadowing the Recent changes page. Wish I could do more. I'll probably make a push for 5000 pages in the next few days (starting after the next week). Nice to hear from you too, Egwene.Toctheyounger (talk) 07:37, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
Message from CNEdit
I'm not sure if I'm replying to this in the right place.
I do normally upload straight to the page. It was fairly simple actually. Click the edit button, find the 'add image' button and upload. It put the image straight on the page and I placed it where-ever by dragging it around the screen with the cursor. Could resize and edit text as well.
I had a look at the monobook version. Looks complicated as hell to me :s. If the other way doesn't work for me anymore I'll just upload the same way as I did the Laseen pic. If a get a bit of time sometime, I'll have a proper look and try to sort it out.
The convo on the dA page about Laseen is weird to me.:) They have finished the whole series and never looked for art. I went looking for art half way through my first read of GotM :D It's the only reason I joined the forum actually, I couldn't see the art without joining for some reason Corporal Nobbs (talk) 13:24, January 11, 2018 (UTC)Corporal Nobbs
Coding is a total and complete mystery to me... it may as well be magic as far as I'm concerned :) I'll take a look at the cheatsheet. Just a matter a sitting down and learning it I guess.
...*topples over from gentle nudge*... ;) I have made a couple of starts on Mallet, but I think the problem is, I've never really had a good image of him in my mind to finish him. Never even contemplated doing one of Aimless I always forget who he is until I'm actually reading the bit he's in¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Laseen by CN Edit
We actually never used the category Fan art spoiler free for images, only for the fan art categories. The only image we have currently in this category is Ben + Kalam by Shadaan for some reason ^^
I guess it would be good to have the images of the new readers category also in GotM. Maybe we should also have a look at the images in both categories and just add on or two portraits for each of the main characters to the new reader one, so that someone who has just started the book can get visualize them. Currently the content of the category looks a bit random.
Message from GreatgunsEdit
Thank you Egwene. Just getting my feet wet. I find this WIKI particularly helpful, but descriptions sometimes can be very vague. I appreciate your help making my addition more useful. Greatguns (talk) 23:03, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
Re:The mega DP Edit
Hi Egwene! I'm back after after being tied up dealing with this and that - nothing dire, but personal things that had to be dealt with sooner rather than later.
I had a look at your "work page" for the mega DP...I think it's a great start to be going on with. I'll be working on a couple of the entries listed there as I complete working on DoD pages. I feel like I've gotten so far behind - I'd hoped that I would have been able to be much further along with DoD at this point (*sigh*). Well, like everything else, I'll just have to take it day by day until everything is "done"...
Re:the proposed new "Spoiler" default system Edit
Hi, Egwene: I have looked over the forum thread and it looks, in general, like a good idea. It will be especially helpful for people like me who have a bit of a "tin ear" where possible spoilers are concerned. I put the word Spoiler in the subject/headline space in quotes because I did get the point that the system is not specifically meant to deal with spoilers (as such) but rather so that editors, etc. don't NEED to worry about them! I can see that it will be helpful to all the people who check over new articles or new additions to existing articles - I know that you, in particular, are concerned with keeping malazan.wiki safe for new users with regard to possible spoilers : )
Re: K'ryn/Kryn Edit
Hi Egwene: thanks for cleaning up the K'ryn/Kryn situation : ) As it happens, what you did was exactly what I was hoping you (or whoever) would do - I had intentionally put my 'proof' citations in a square bracketed, easily removable, section at the top. Don't worry, if you had not spotted the "K'ryn" edit in a day or so, I would certainly have brought it to your attention. I was unsure of exactly what to do about it on my own because the 'renaming' wasn't a simple original "K'ryn" ---> "Kryn" one (which I could have handled), but rather an UNdoing of a previous 'renaming' from "Kryn" ---> "K'ryn". I was both uncertain of (1) how to undo an already renamed page name, and (2) I was particularly uncertain if there might not have been a legitimate reason (unknown to me) for the initial renaming, which required adding the apostrophe to "Kryn" in the first place.
Re: Book editions Edit
Hi Egwene: I changed your use of "UK lg. PB" to "UK TPB" because I assumed that you were referencing the Bantam large-size paperback which in the Malazan Wiki:Manual of Style's "Standard abbreviations"/"Bantam" section is referred to as "UK TPB".
The Malazan Wiki:Manual of Style gives three choices for Bantam editions (which is the publisher - according to the Manual - signaled by the use of "UK"):
- "UK HC" is to be used for the Bantam 'Hardcover' editions (I'm aware that you tend to use "UK HB", following British usage, and I would never change that)
- "UK MMPB" is to be used for the Bantam 'Mass-market Paperback' (which is the term used - at least in the US - to describe small-format paperback editions about the size of a typical Penguin paperback)
- "UK TPB" is to be used for the Bantam 'Trade Paperback' (which is the term used - at least in the US - to describe large-format editions the size of a typical HC/HB but which has heavy PAPER covers instead of HARD covers)
Since I've rarely seen the usage "UK TPB" used in malazan.wiki citations, I've often wondered if people were using "UK MMPB" for both the UK Mass-market AND the UK Trade Paperback editions - or whether, instead, the British don't, in fact, produce "trade paperback" editions at all. TPB's are extremely common in the US - conveniently, the TOR US hardcovers and the TOR US trade paperbacks have the SAME pagination. US Mass-market paperbacks, because of their much smaller size, have very different pagination than the US HC/US TPB editions - reflecting their significantly larger number of pages. I've always wondered if the same was true (or not) for Bantam/UK MMPB editions as well.
That was my reasoning, anyway...if you think that "UK lg. PB" best describes the edition that you were actually citing from, then please change it back. Sorry for the confusion, Pcwrcw (talk) 02:35, February 5, 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Egwene: Thanks for getting back to me re: UK paperback book edition nomenclature. In the meanwhile I had emailed an English friend - Charles Noad - who is a freelance proofreader/copy editor living in London to see if he could clear up some of the confusion about UK paperback editions. What he had to say made it pretty clear (1) why there is confusion, and (2) that the "Malazan Wiki:Manual of Style" info about UK paperbacks doesn't really seem to reflect actual UK usage. I quote Charles:
- "We [the UK] generally refer to mass-market paperbacks as 'A-format', and to their larger cousins (your [the US] 'trade paperbacks', I think) as 'B-format', but here B-format properly refers to paperbacks of about 5" by 8" in size. Most paperbacks these days are in B-format, which is a pity as I prefer the compactness of the A-format. Every so often one comes across softcover books larger than B-format, and these are, indeed, usually the same as the hardcover original (if there was one) but issued in soft covers. I don't know that these editions have a special name. Possibly they might be called 'trade paperbacks' within the bookseller trade, but I don't know [that that is actually the case]."
- Egwene, I think your advice that if one does change the edition-type in editing, that "it is probably best to change refs completely to that of the copy you have in front of you to make sure the pagination is correct" is by far the best approach. It's a simple solution to the 'problem', but it had never occurred to me - I have always gone out of my way to preserve original citations, unless I was sure they were incorrect. Thanks for the suggestion : ) Since the citations with regard to chapter are independent of the actual edition used, that's really the most important thing! Cheers, Pcwrcw (talk) 02:27, February 6, 2018 (UTC)
Hi Egwene: Yes, I have seen the 'Polls' about malazan.wiki usage. Although I was the second person to fill it out (right after you, I assume), I hadn't seen the latest results. They are interesting, aren't they? I would never have thought that there was such a large percentage of users using mobile phones for access - it's a good thing that you (and JR?) have been working so hard to make using mobiles for malazan.wiki access user-friendly! I'm also amazed that more people haven't switched to Monobook. Aside from the lack of ads, I find Monobook much easier (and far more intuitive) to use, especially when editing.
It's great to see that so many people (almost 80 so far) took the time to take the polls - it gives some idea as to how many people are seriously involved with the wiki : ) Pcwrcw (talk) 01:43, February 8, 2018 (UTC)
Re: The mega DP - A, B, C, D Edit
Discussion transferred to Mega DP discussion page
Different topic - I've been working on 'The Fourteen Undead Jaghut' in DoD and tCG and I'm not sure how to handle the ones which have major material in both the MBotF AND in the Kharkanas series - the articles on Varandas and Haut are examples. It's confusing for a variety of reasons, but the fact that the character details can be so disconcertingly different, both in particulars and in general, is of concern to me. I know we have any number of articles on characters who appear in both series (think of Anomander Rake), but it seems to be different in some way - perhaps because we have been told so little of substance about the undead Jaghuts. I've even been toying with the idea of suggesting that we have separate articles (with the Jaghut's name followed by an 'identifier' of some sort in brackets) for each of these particular Jaghuts - one article for the ones who appear (alive) in the Kharkanas books and a different article for who appear in DD and CG as 'The Undead Fourteen' in the MBotF. Any thoughts? Cheers, Pcwrcw (talk) 02:45, February 8, 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Egwene: I've decided to let the Barghast stew in their own juices for a bit and work on sorting out the Fourteen Undead Jaghuts for the time being. I plan on doing a major revision, mainly adding material from DoD and CG, of the joint page (The Fourteen Undead Jaghut page) and to edit the individual pages for the Undead Jaghuts so that they are treated in a consistent fashion. This will have the advantage of taking care of both the 'red' DD/CG ExtDPs entries and the 'red' 'Mega DP' entries for the the named undead Jaghuts.
- BTW, I noticed that in the 'Mega DP' under 'B' that you have 'Bolirium' listed twice - once as " Bolirium, a Jaghut, one of Hood's fourteen "- and right under it - as " Bolirium, a Jaghut, one of 'The Fourteen' ". The first 'Mega DP' entry is found in the FoL ExtDP and the second in the tCG ExtDP - had you meant to separate the two? My guess is that you didn't. I also think that references specifically to the 'The Fourteen' referred to in the 'Mega DP' (when they apply to their appearance in DoD and tCG) should be expanded to 'The Fourteen Undead Jaghut' to minimize confusion with the FoL's "Hood's fourteen". I can take care of all that as I finish producing the 'Undead Fourteen' material and go on to adjust the 'Mega DP' entries if you like. You'll have a chance to check over my work as I go along and can then decide if you want to handle things differently with regard to these particular Jaghuts. Pcwrcw (talk) 01:44, February 11, 2018 (UTC)
Death Toll table Edit
Hello, Egwene. I had noticed that, though the page is hopefully going to be a death toll for the whole series, there was no section that added up all the deaths. I started working on a table that would do so (it would have sums of all deaths in each category, all deaths in each book, then the grand total) and testing on my user page. However, I realized that a change in formatting of that magnitude is probably something I should check with you or the other admins first. My coding skills aren't that great (I just started learning html a few days ago), and I'm starting to wonder if it would be better visually and/or in terms of editing accessibility to just place the sums vertically instead of creating a table - that is, if they should be included on the page at all with only two books done. I figured I ought to ask before making any further changes or performing any further testing. Feel free to make changes to the table if you want, if you want changes made but don't have time to implement them due to the work on the Mega DP (which, by the way, looks great) I'll try to implement them. Thanks, Marl Karx (talk) 19:00, February 14, 2018 (UTC)
Re: editing The Fourteen Undead Jaghut Edit
Hi Egwene: Thanks for the helpful suggestions about "what to add and what not". As I've mentioned before, I sometimes get lost in the details. One of the hardest things for me to do when editing is keeping things as concise as possible - something I'm often not very good at. I also tend to get overly involved with material that is really tangential to the article that I'm actually working on. I'll try harder to keep your advice in mind : )
[As far as the 'Mega DP' goes, I like the idea of either collapsers or separate pages - whichever one seems best (easiest to do/use) to you. I can't think of any other alternatives, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any. If I get a brainstorm, I'll let you know.] Cheers, Pcwrcw (talk) 02:20, February 16, 2018 (UTC)
- There was a time when people on /r/Malazan would frequently ask how many characters there were. Now we can say with authority that there are clearly 2,500 (or whatever), as anyone knows.--ArchieVist (talk) 20:05, February 16, 2018 (UTC)
Well how about telling new readers there's 2,500 characters, but you really only need to keep track of 600 of them. Would that work? Ha.
I'll admit I kind of like the idea of scrolling through a majestic and endless list. It might be good to replace the automated contents window with a handcrafted more horizontal box of A-Z links at the top. Something similar to what's used on the Adopt a Chapter page but more compact, not a single line into infinity.--ArchieVist (talk) 21:11, February 16, 2018 (UTC)
- I'd say put the K&B books in as well as Goats of Glory. And Scratch. It's going to be the "complete" list, and you never know who might pop up in a later book (however doubtful).--ArchieVist (talk) 20:11, February 24, 2018 (UTC)
I felt like taking a break from my HoC work, so I added all the B&KB characters (sans Fiends of Nightmaria) and Goats of Glory to the big DP list. I'm probably going to finish up HoC in the next few days and then take a long break from any more changes.--ArchieVist (talk) 14:44, May 26, 2018 (UTC)
Are you talking about the Demidrek? It's a title mentioned in a few places in the main series. I only put Ithell's name on there because I didn't think it was much of a spoiler that wasn't already in the book's DP. I can take it out if it goes too far. I don't have any strong feelings on keeping or lifting the freeze. Likely only one of our inspired and hardcore contributors would make any updates. Dancer's Lament and Fall of Light coverage is still pretty barren over a year later.(insert frowny emoticon)--ArchieVist (talk) 20:21, February 16, 2018 (UTC)
- Unless you're dying to work on it, I'd just leave the moratorium as is. if nothing else, it forces us to continue working on the older material.--ArchieVist (talk) 21:11, February 16, 2018 (UTC)
Re: Aren treasurer Edit
Hi Egwene: I just posted the following on AV's User talk page:
- [Hi AV: Sorry about the kerfuffle re: "Aren treasurer" - my fault. I was going down the UNC "A" list of the 'Mega DP' adding book abbreviations and noticed the entry for Aren treasurer. Thinking (obviously not too clearly) that it was missing the " Unnamed characters# " part of an UNC entry, I added it and also added an entry to the DG's UNC section as well as I thought it was also missing. It was only earlier today that the penny finally dropped and I realized that since it hadn't been a 'red' entry, then it must have had its own page. Fortunately, Egwene has stepped in and explained/handled things. Sorry about the confusion.]
RE: Aimanan and the others Edit
Hi Egwene: I've read all your notes re: 'The Fourteen Jaghut' carefully and I've edited four articles (to begin with) which (hopefully) address all of your concerns:
- Hood's Fourteen - which is now a simple article dealing with the term by itself with all possible Spoilers (I think) removed.
- Aimanan - which no longer has any separate explanatory notes. Since I only removed material, this shouldn't affect the page's 'Spoiler Icon' status.
- Bolirium - (as an example) to see if I can implement all your suggestions on my own.
- The Fourteen Undead Jaghut - the 'main' (and now only) article dealing with 'The Fourteen Undead Jaghut' as a group.
I thought I'd do these four articles and run them past you to see if I've missed anything that you think should still be changed. Let me know if they're OK (or not). When I get the go-ahead, I'll edit the remaining individual Jaghut pages as well.
This is, by far, the most complex project (not counting my various book ExtDPs, of course) that I've taken on and it has proved a real learning experience. Thanks very much for all your help and patience with me as I've been stumbling through the process. I'll see if I can handle the FD & FL material acceptably, bearing in mind what you've suggested so far...be sure to let me know if I don't : )
- [You're been making very good progress working through the 'A' section of the 'Mega DP'! Actually, I did know that Ammanas was at least mentioned, in one way or another, in all the MBotF books, but I hadn't realized the same was true for the ICE books. I guess we'll find out as the rest of the alphabet is dealt with if that is true for any other character(s) or not.]
- Hi Egwene: Thanks for adding the 'Alias Template' for Hood's Fourteen...the Template should prove to be very useful in any number of situations - now that I know how to do one : ) Given your response to my re-workings (so far), I'll proceed with editing the remaining individual Jaghut. Ad astra per aspera, Pcwrcw (talk) 01:57, February 26, 2018 (UTC)
I had a DD excerpt with the info I thought I needed, and it seemed self contained and not too difficult even considering I hadn't read the book in a while. But after finishing the article and doing another read for accuracy, I realized I had completely misread the text and would need to take a wider look at the chapter. That was too much to do for something I thought would be quick and easy.--ArchieVist (talk) 23:52, February 26, 2018 (UTC)
Re: including Jaghut Odhan in the main text Edit
Hi Egwene: OK, I'll include the location, Jaghut Odhan, in the main text of the FD and FL sections of the 'fourteen Jaghut' material. I've made the change for Haut now and I'll go on to make the changes in the other individual Jaghuts' pages when I next edit them - rather than changing just that part for each of them right now.
You didn't mention the location header, "In the Wastelands of Lether:" currently in place for the DD and CG sections. Were they OK? I've taken them out for Haut (and Varandas), but if possible, I would prefer to use them as they were. Let me know. Thanks, Pcwrcw (talk) 01:44, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
- Note: after editing Haut and Varandas and incorporating the location info into the individual sections, I find that I like them just fine that way! So rather than using the location headers as I did to begin with, I'll change all the other associated articles of the 'fourteen Jaghut' to match them. As I said before, I'll wait to do that editing until the next time I edit the other articles (which will be presently) - unless you think they all need to be changed as soon as possible. Let me know if Haut and Varandas look OK (or not) so far. Cheers, Pcwrcw (talk) 04:36, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
19 to goEdit
- Also keep in mind it's really only 18 to go as number 19 will be the 5000 article!--ArchieVist (talk) 20:32, March 4, 2018 (UTC)
- We're at 4998. Time to create 1 new entry and then 5000!--ArchieVist (talk) 03:36, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- Hooray on 5000! I just created another new article so only 999 to go until 6000.--ArchieVist (talk) 18:11, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
Re: Brackets Edit
Hi Egwene: I take your point about my overuse of unnecessary brackets and my including 'extraneous' information in my edits. I'll do my best to follow your suggestions : ) This is all part of my general problem of extreme 'wordiness' - I am making progress with that. You should see some of my rough drafts - a great deal does end up on the cutting-room floor - as hard as that might be to imagine! I've edited out stray brackets and extraneous info in my recent edits. I'll try to correct earlier pages as I have occasion to visit them. Thanks for taking the time to spell out what my problems are and to suggest solutions for them. Still searching for that golden mean, Pcwrcw (talk) 03:49, March 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Egwene: Thanks for the link to "Tony1's" Redundancy exercises - I'll give the exercises a whirl and see how I get on.
If I'm recalling the instance correctly, its probably a case where someone had something like [[Elder Gods|Elder God]] on the page. It doesn't make sense to me to clutter up the code if a perfectly good redirect is there. Otherwise, why have them?--ArchieVist (talk) 22:25, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
- I dunno. That seems like a pain in the butt. See also this Wikipedia note about redirects and pipes.
Sorry, but I don't think I can help on the use of the Visual Editor. I do all my edits in Oasis, but the default preferred editor in my profile was always Source Editor. From what I can tell, this is pretty much identical with the Monobook editor. It's straight text and symbols. I've seen the Visual Editor from time to time when I've been unknowingly logged out and tried to edit. But I've never been able to make heads or tails out of that thing.--ArchieVist (talk) 18:40, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
Re: "Burrugast" article Edit
Hi Egwene: Thanks for the (as usual, great) feedback on Burrugast. I wasn't at all sure that I was doing things in line with what you have suggested before, but I made a stab at it. It's obvious that I'm still not completely clear on the concept(s). I'll go through my recent pages and edit them with your example at hand. You make it look so easy - but I daresay it isn't as easy as it looks : ) The "last seen" section was meant to be read as modified by "alive, together", but I see that that could be confusing. I like your approach much better, in any case. Your taking out the FoD section on the Burrugast page was a real breakthrough for me - I had it absolutely fixed in my mind that there HAD to be a FoD section for ALL of the named '14 Jaghut' because I KNEW that they were all alive at that point, somewhere...*sigh* I'll get there eventually!
As for "Lasa Rook", the text never specified what she actually ended up doing. On the one hand, it seems clear that she had been doing the whole thing because she had been bored with her life at home, and had wanted an adventure - "It was just a game", as she cried - and because she wanted to shake up her husbands because she felt that they had been taking her too much for granted. On the other hand, it's clear that she was the type of woman who needed male protection, and wanted plenty of male attention. So it's difficult to imagine her just standing back and watching her three husbands and her lover abandon her. I can see her actually go with them as a result of sheer fear and desperation at being left completely alone so far from home - as a 'camp follower' of sorts. It's not as if she had much time to think things through at that point, or to find alternate Thel Akai 'protectors'/'admirers'. The third book of the Kharkanas trilogy may make it clear what she decided - or it may not, of course. Onward! Pcwrcw (talk) 01:55, March 19, 2018 (UTC)
Re: "Sceptre" Edit
Hi Egwene: Thanks for sorting out Sceptre (title). That had actually been my first choice when I originally went to create the page, but when I used the 'Search' feature to bring up the 'red link', I found that, after one or two entries, there were listed 23 entries in a row relating to the ICE book, Orb Sceptre Throne. I became concerned that someone might confuse the word "title" with 'title of a book (OST in this case)' instead of a 'title of rank'. So I went with that - probably unnecessarily. Anyway, I agree with you that a disambig page for "Sceptre" was an idea whose time had most certainly come : ) I often overthink these things... Sorry you had to spend time editing the 'Akrynnai pages', thanks for that, as well.
Having finished with the 'Fourteen Jaghut', I'm now back with the Barghast and the other tribals of DD. I really wish DD had been a more popular book - there is so much DD info on the wiki which is incomplete/incorrect/missing altogether. I will aim for the bare minimum that I think is essential (or until my patience runs out) and leave it up to others down the road to flesh things out if they think it necessary. Ever onward, Pcwrcw (talk) 01:27, March 29, 2018 (UTC)
Re: Hobble Edit
Hi Egwene: I am toying with the idea of writing a page on the Barghast practice of 'hobbling' - it would be as unjudgmentally descriptive as I could make it. I would not include any mention of H's name, nor any mention of the DoD 'Q & A' TOR re-read post by SE on the subject.
I would need a qualifying term, and I'm not sure what would be best: "Hobble (custom)"; "Hobble (practice)"; "Hobble (ritual)"; or...something else? I am also wondering if I should rename "Hobble" to something like "Hobble (Sub-Fist)", as well, to avoid future confusion. I can't believe that SE included "Hobble" as a proper name in the same book (DoD) as he introduced the practice of 'hobbling'. It may have been preying on his mind - which would not be surprising in the circumstances.
Hi Egwene: Thanks for the Disambig page for the 'Hobbles'. I am working now on the Hobble (custom) page, which has proved less fraught and more interesting to research than I had feared. People focus on the hobbling of "H", but there is a surprising amount about the custom earlier than that in DD and there even turns out to be a somewhat analogous practice among the Barghast, intended for males, which involved a 'trial' of "shaming" and a sentence of castration. So the custom of hobbling, although it seems no less abhorrent than before, looks less overtly sexist. However, I have no doubt, although it is not so stated in the book, that female hobblings/rapes would have occurred more frequently than male trials/castrations. It helps that I had decided not to cover "H" in the article - that material cuts too close to the bone, even now. Thanks again, Pcwrcw (talk) 01:13, April 1, 2018 (UTC)
Re: Sathand Gril, DD tribals, status report, etc. Edit
Hi Egwene: I think you've been doing a great job with Absi and Sathand Gril : ) I was completely surprised when I first read Satland's page - I've come across no incidences of "Gril" being spelled "Grit" in either TOR US HC or TOR US TPB - but those are the only editions of DD that I have access to.
Frankly, I would appreciate it greatly if you would deal with the DD sections for Absi and the twins, as I can't seem to get anywhere with them. With Absi, Stavi and Storii done, that would finish off clan Senan - at long last.
I'm currently working on the Skincuts, having finished Hessanrala and doing 'research' and rough drafts on Ralata. Then there will be the Gadra and Barahn of the White Face Barghast and Vedith of the Khundryl to flesh out where needed. I also need to add general information to the DD sections of the Barghast, White Face, and Khundryl Burned Tears pages, some of each existing already in some form of notes/rough drafts. I *think* that would finish off the DD tribals. I'm going to assume that the Malazans and Letherii have been taken care of, as they usually are popular pages for people to work on. I'll then do a minimal amount of nosing around and then I'll probably finish up with updating Ruthan Gudd, who needs both BH and DD material - for which I have already collected all the 'mentions'/citations in both books (and for CG, as far as that goes). Except in infrequent cases, I've left CG material to be done for when I "finish" with DD and go on to tCG ExtDP. The DD ExtDP has no currently existing 'red links', I - or other people, of course - have taken care of those.
I'm glad now that I tackled the Hobble (custom) page. Looking for 'hobble' references in the rest of the book actually makes it clear that "hobbling" - in all its various nuances/meanings - was probably meant to be a sub-theme of DD and helps explain (broadly) why SE made the Barghast so 'nasty' - a valuable insight into the book which is unfortunately overshadowed by the "H" material.
I agree with you about the lengthy length of the "User talk:Pcwrcw" page - thanks for the offer of help dealing with it. I think what I would like to do is to wait until I've finished with DD and then deal with it before tackling CG - I'll ask for help when I reach that stage. The end is actually in sight for DD's ExtDP - not imminent, you understand - but actually visible with the naked eye! Cheers, Pcwrcw (talk) 03:39, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Egwene: Thanks for taking on Absi and the twins - I really appreciate it : )
- Well, your directions for archiving my Talk page sound straightforward enough - you've even produced a 'red link' for me! Would it be best to do all but the recent messages in one fell swoop, or to divide the message list into smaller chunks - which I gather would just require creating multiple pages entitled "User talk:Pcwrcw/Archive 2", "User talk:Pcwrcw/Archive 3", etc. Also, is there some sort of size limit as to how much material each 'segment' can be? Ever onward, Pcwrcw (talk) 00:47, April 10, 2018 (UTC)
Sathand Gril or GritEdit
I'm not sure where I got the idea to even look for the Grit spelling originally. The only place I've been able to retrace my steps and find it is on the Amazon UK paperback and Kindle previews of the book. Grit is used in the paperback DP and in a few places in the paperback text (pgs.746 and 747). At the same time, Gril gets used in the same book on pgs.738 and 744. The viewable portion of the UK Kindle preview also shows the Grit spelling in the DP. The Amazon US paperback preview only uses Gril. The Amazon US Kindle preview DP is missing Sathand altogether (along with 20+ other Barghast!).--ArchieVist (talk) 22:40, April 11, 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, I found a Sathand Grit in the DP of a Google Books preview of the US edition. --ArchieVist (talk) 22:52, April 11, 2018 (UTC)
To make things even more confusing, looking at the Amazon UK preview of the hardcover says you are actually getting a preview of the paperback edition. This version spells it Grit. Looking directly at the Amazon UK preview of the paperback gives you a completely different scanned preview with the Gril spelling.--ArchieVist (talk) 22:55, April 11, 2018 (UTC)
Re: Assumptions Edit
Hi Egwene: I came across the following quote while looking for something else and I had to be amused. This is Bottle, late in Chapter 2 of tCG, when he was trying to pull himself together:
- "His grandmother. Well, an older woman, at least. Assumptions could be dangerous."
- I agree, Egwene - that line of SE's, "You only think you know what happened" - was an excellent choice to put on malazan.wiki's Home Page. It's such a short phrase, yet it has over- and under-tones that allow it to be interpreted in a variety of meaningful, yet still valid ways. That was such a great find of yours : ) Pcwrcw (talk) 01:20, April 18, 2018 (UTC)
Re: IoW nomination by Pcwrcw Edit
Hi Egwene: Well, as usual, whenever I try doing something on the wiki for the first time, I end up learning something new. Sorry for the confusion - I hadn't realized what was meant by "Official Artwork" and that it was off-limits for the IoW. I've looked through the fan artwork - in the "Fan art spoiler free" section just to be on the safe side - and found something that I would like to nominate - which I will do after I post this on your talk page. I think it meets all of the criteria... Onward, Pcwrcw (talk) 01:34, April 21, 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I'm seeing the same thing. I think it only became that way sometime after I posted my last response. The discussion is still there on the Forum page, though.--ArchieVist (talk) 13:36, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
- I just added a test nomination to the IoW page. This time I entered the four tildes instead of using the sig button. It's still working ok for me.--ArchieVist (talk) 14:09, August 7, 2018 (UTC)
Hi from Pcwrcw... Edit
Hi Egwene: Good to see your contributions appearing again on the wiki - missed you : ) Saw your reddit posts about the Painted Wolves and found them fascinating. I've always been interested in the African Wild Dogs - are they related/the same thing? Pcwrcw (talk) 02:05, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
re: 'Malazan' art - especially the Advent Calendar Edit
Hi Coltaine/Egwene: What a fantastic selection of art in this year’s Advent Calendar! I love the different styles and the way in which they’ve been arranged – it must have taken a lot of thinking to get them presented just right. I think the art collection (all of it) is one of the highlights of the wiki and I wish more people took the time to explore/discover it. Thanks SO much for all of the hard work involved all year long : ) Pcwrcw (talk) 02:32, December 24, 2018 (UTC)
re: Once upon a time... Edit
Hi Egwene: mucho thanks for your kind and supportive words. Although I have received many, many (and many more 'manys') extremely helpful corrections, suggestions and guidance from all the regular wiki editors from the very beginning, there is no doubt that you were (still are) my main guide and inspiration as I fumbled my way around the wiki! So it is no surprise that any guidance I now - in my turn - try to give to beginning editors echoes advice, etc. that I initially got from you and from all the others.
Hey Egwene! Edit
Hello how are you!? Finally a name I recognize! I was a big WoT fan throughout high school. Unfortunately I only got to book 7, but, based on blogs and reviews, I guess that was a good place to stop? haha
Anyways, thanks for the feedback. Excited to get involved in the Wiki wherever I can. It's pretty cool what you all have made here and what it does for the community. I don't think my immersion into the books would be as deep without the wiki and reading about people, places, etc. As you know, people read something and get a million different things out of it. I like the Wiki because I get to see ALL people's outlook so I don't miss anything!
Not sure if you've been in contact with Coltaine but we've been in the works on creating a map, of sorts. I do slightly similar things in my real job so I like fusing my real life skills with hobbies, ya know? Hopefully it comes out the way I had planned but we'll see. I'll continue to try and update as many chapters as I can, however, it takes more time than I thought it would when I started that Midnight Tides chapter haha.
- Yes, I did drop out just when it got interesting :( However, the ending battle of Book 6 (so long ago forgot what it's even called) was so freaking awesome. I actually read book one right before reading GotM in an attempt to get back into it, but once I read GotM I was hooked and am never looking back haha.
- Thanks for the "Recent Changes" advice! I just bookmarked it. that will be a great tool to use!
- 16:51, February 11, 2019 (UTC)
Hi from Pcwrcw... Edit
Hi Egwene: it's good to see all of your latest activity on the wiki. Too bad that so much of it had to deal with editors copying sources rather than rewording from the text. *Sigh*
Have you gotten hold of a copy of KR yet? AV was able to construct the KR Book DP & the KR ExtDP from pages that he found on the Amazon UK site. I'm supposed to be getting a copy of the KR UK HC in about a week or two...we'll see. I guess everyone with an opinion, agrees that the KR moratorium should definitely wait until KR is officially published in Canada and the US, plus an additional month or less. It's getting harder and harder to keep up with the books being published by SE and ICE. At least that's a better problem to have than the two of them not publishing at all - ala GRRM and Rothfuss! Cheers, Pcwrcw (talk) 04:06, March 6, 2019 (UTC)
Pcwrcw's stash of Malazan books Edit
Hi Egwene: As usual, it's always good to hear from you and to see the editing that you do. As to how many Malazan books I actually own, well...I don't actually know. The less short answer is that I have at least two to three (sometimes four) different editions of all of SE & ICE 'Malazan' books. This includes the B & KB stories but not the book containing "Goats of Glory" - which I don't have, and do not particularly want.
It started when I was first introduced to SE by comments made by Glen Cook (all of whose books I also have). At that point, BH was the most recent book published and RG was due out soon. So, somewhere hidden in my many boxes of books - who has that sort of space to put books on shelves? - I have Tor HC's for GotM through tCG. When ICE books began to appear, I got them as well in Tor HC's. I have, in fact all the 'Malazan' books in both the Tor HC and the Tor TPB - except for B&KB which I bought when they came out in the US in whatever edition I could most easily get hold of. I've had to get the latest B&KB in UK editions, of course, since they take forever to come out in the US, if they come out here at all.
I became aware of the Malazan wiki September 2016 and, as I think we all too well remember, I made my first edit adding "Ruthan Gudd" to the BH ExtDP...the rest is history. I fell in love with doing ExtDP, and there were certainly plenty of ExtDP which needed someone to deal with them. That's the reason that I then bought the complete run of MBotF in Tor TPB, which were, at the time, available as a set from Amazon. The reason for getting those was to use them as 'work' copies. In the process of producing an ExtDP, I drastically mark up (in pencil) the copy of the book I am working on. Which I find to be an excellent way of handling the construction of ExtDP as well as for normal editing/article writing, etc. It makes the books, however, impossible to casually reread for pleasure, so it has become my habit - whenever a new SE or ICE 'Malazan' book is due out - that I pre-order both the Tor HC and the Tor TPB at the same time.
Sometimes I have mislaid the copy of a book I needed - not difficult given the chaotic nature of my book collection, and I buy an inexpensive used copy of it, again from Amazon. I have from time to time also gotten UK editions for one reason or another. The three copies of KR, were an anomaly due solely to the two release dates for KR. Since I had decided to do the ExtDP for KR, I wanted to get a head start on it, so I got a UK Bantam HC from Amazon.uk - my pre-ordered Tor HC & TPB for KR arrived on April 2 - so I now have three. Fortunately my situation allows me to budget very generously for books : )
There: more than anyone could possibly want to know and I hope you stopped reading when you'd had enough. I enjoyed writing about it, though, so I'm happy. Cheers, Pcwrcw (talk) 03:16, April 6, 2019 (UTC)
- That's a lot of books. I too came to Malazan through Cook, although in my case it was because of an introduction Erikson wrote in one of the Dread Empire omnibuses citing Cook's influence on him. Heck, my user name here is a take on Croaker (ArchieVist = Archivist = Annalist). Cook's use of "in media res" was good training for reading Malazan. My biggest complaint on my initial reading of GotM was not the lack of explanations but the sense that I was reading a Black Company/Dread Empire knockoff. Luckily DG changed everything. I assume you've read Port of Shadows? It's my favorite BC book in 30 years.--ArchieVist (talk) 13:36, April 6, 2019 (UTC)
- Loved your explanation of how your user name came about! A great homage to Cook and (indirectly) to SE as well. I have indeed read Port of Shadows. I thought it started a bit slow, but it didn't take long for Cook to get back into the swing of things and to recapture the 'voice' of Croaker. As a result, I ended up having enjoyed it immensely - Croaker has always been my favorite BC annalist. PoS is almost like Cook was inspired by ICE and decided to write a "fill-in-the-gaps" novel. Perhaps he'll write more.
- Speaking of ICE, I think KR has been getting a lot of undeserved 'hate mail' on the Malazan Reddit - apparently because of widespread unfamiliarity with ICE's six NotME novels. I think it's now clear that it's not a good idea to use DL as an entry point to the main Malazan books... Pcwrcw (talk) 04:13, April 7, 2019 (UTC)
(leaving the comment here as it is a three way conversation) Sounds like you could single-handedly restock a library! I know what you mean with the 'work copy'. My copy of GotM is the worst - it is totally falling apart, with notes and highlights all over the place. I did get another copy of it from my other half. I think he felt sorry for me when he saw the state of it, lol. The HBs aren't so bad - they do have the highlights but at least the pages are still attached to the spines but DG and MI in paperback are almost as bad as GotM.
Saw some negative comments about KR before I got my copy and was a bit worried but absolutely loved it, but I know all of the other books. After DG, I thought the trilogy would be a good alternate entry to the main series but not sure now. For a new reader KR would be hard going as there is just so much going on, kind of an overdose of everything. Events, characters, scene changes etc. - loved it all as someone 'in the know' - but for new readers, I'd agree with your conclusion that it may not be recommendable. Egwene of the Malazan Empire (talk) 12:19, April 12, 2019 (UTC)
- Re KR: Having read the continuing KR criticism on the Malazan Reddit, I now strongly think that DL/DHL/KR should actually not be read at all unless the reader has already read the other ICE books. This includes having read (entirely, thoughtfully and ideally recently) DL as well. Some of the Reddit comments seem to display utter lack of knowledge (or memory thereof) of the first 'Ascendancy' novel. Looking carefully at the the maps of Quon Tali (especially) and of Li Heng would help a lot of readers better understand what's going on in KR as well. I think reading DL/DHL/KR before NK...Assail is no more advisable than reading SE's FoD/FoL before the MBotF ten. It's my impression that ICE used KR to tie up as many loose ends from his six NotME books as possible. I enjoyed KR for that very reason. Oh well - it goes without saying that this is all IMHO... Pcwrcw (talk) 02:44, April 13, 2019 (UTC)
My knowledge of The Crippled God is ten years old, so if there are subtleties to the reference of Jastara as Semk I don't remember them. I was relying on the wiki page to evaluate the update.--ArchieVist (talk) 20:59, May 29, 2019 (UTC)
Semk/Gilk redux Edit
Hi Egwene: between the two of us I think we have Jastara, Gilk & Semk sorted out. I added - to the "Quotes" section of the "Jastara" page - the complete quotation of the extract "Watch out for widows...look hard at that Gilk, Widow Jastara" that was mentioned in the "Speculations" section. I added it mainly to add context that some readers might find helpful. Good to see all your activity on the wiki : ) Pcwrcw (talk) 02:56, June 1, 2019 (UTC)
Wiki Manager IntroductionEdit
Greetings! I'm SilverFlight, and I'm the Fandom Wiki Manager for the Malazan Wiki. I will be assistin the community as the liaison for direct contact to full-time staff. If you have any questions, issues, or inquiries, please message me on my talk page. In addition, I'm happy to inform you that Fandom is upgrading its MediaWiki platform to accommodate MediaWiki extensions. You can read more about here on the blog post.
If you have any questions, let me know how I can help.
- Nice to hear from you! Sadly, I've yet to read a Malazan book, but perhaps when I get the chance I will. I'm now fully active if you need anything for the wiki, so just shoot me a message and I will get back to you.
- The Silver wings of Night (talk) 16:55, July 9, 2019 (UTC)
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re: Just to say... Edit
Hi Egwene: Well of course you are very welcome and thanks for the supportive words! I've been pleased that you seem to be contributing more frequently on the wiki : )
Hi there! I'm happy to introduce to you the new feature called the Global Taxonomy. This formula accumulates wikis a user visits and generates a list of recommended wikis for them to visit. In other words, people who have an interest in a topic or genre you entail will be recommended a chance to visit this wiki! That will be perfect for garnering visitors here. You can read more about it on the blog, plus if you're interested in template use, you can check out this link, too. Hope you find them helpful!
End of the YearEdit
Hi there! Quick update on FANDOM's end-of-the-year term. First, there will be changes with featured videos: as of the end of this December, "Featured" Video will be receiving some trial run experiments in hopes of improving its quality, reasons being that videos featured on a page tend to be outdated or spout all the information the user can already read on the article. The main goal will be to figure out how to complement wiki content. Because of that, you might receive a video called "The Loop" play for anonymous users, which will be meant purely to collect visitation data in the vein of the Global Taxonomy method. It won't affect all users, so you might not notice. But if you want to learn more, you can go to the blog post. For more info on Fandom's year in review, you can check out the community post. Let me know if you have any questions, and happy holidays!
Message from IturaldeEdit
I'm not sure if this is the right place to do this...
I'm currrently making the «Malazan spanish wiki», yes i'm alone (for now, I guess not forever...) you are an administrator of the english version, I just want to say I been copy some things of your wiki, not everything. Just some things...
That's it. Regards!
(My english is a work in progress) I didn't think I will find Egwene here... in Malazan Empire. :P
Kudos to all... Edit
Kudos to all you folks who were involved in the 2019 Advent Calendar – not forgetting the artists! I think that the artwork this year was truly fantastic and the variety was especially good. Every year it seems to be getting better and better!!
Egwene: I've been particularly pleased to see your activity level on the wiki increase this past year - hope to continue seeing more of your editing.
Re: Dassem's daughter Edit
Hi Egwene: Well, my preference for Dassem Ultor's daughter would be that the name "Nara" - particularly if it's also linked - not appear at all. My main concern is that readers consulting the page who are still early in their first reading of MBotF - in DG or MoI (for example) - and seeing the overt mention of "Nara"/Nara click on it. This would take them directly to a lot of information concerning "Dassem Ultor" in DL and DHL that I think many such readers might very well think were major spoilers.
However, my judgment concerning "Spoilers" is wobbly at best, and so I tend to err on the side of caution. If you think that the material in Nara - with regard to Dassem - is truly spoiler-free, then my preference would definitely be for a "Spoil Alert" box at the end of the "Dassem Ultor's daughter" page. I think the "Speculations" section should go regardless, as it depends heavily on information from DL and DHL and includes Nara as a live link with no warning of possible spoilers if it's clicked. BTW, I'm not at all sure that it's ever specifically said that the body that is found in Tremorlor is actually dead or dies later.
If you think that adding a "Spoiler Alert" box to DUd's page and removing the "Speculations" section is the way to go, I can do that or feel free to do it yourself.
Thanks for sending that link out. I hadn't seen it yet. I have to think it was our wiki because there isn't enough to read on Wikipedia that would take up so much time. The only other candidate are the Tor rereads if they could be mislabeled as wiki pages. If it wasn't cruel, I'd create a wiki reader of the month page. It was also nice seeing some pro-Wiki comments on Erikson's Facebook page.--ArchieVist (talk) 13:42, January 31, 2020 (UTC)
New Wiki Manager for Malazan WikiEdit
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Pcwrcw: Update Edit
Well, as it happens, I have not been all that active on the wiki for the last 3-4 weeks due to the onset of Real Life circumstances. Nothing directly to do with COVID-19 - Thank God - (*knock on wood*), but swamping all the same. You know how it goes.
Not that AV and Coltaine have particularly required my support - both having been extremely productive during this period. I did take time to daily check the 'Recent Changes' so as to keep abreast of wiki activity and to be ready to step in if something did come up that needed my help in particular.
I have finally seen the light at the end of the tunnel. After tying up loose ends this weekend, I hope to be able to start contributing regularly again.
I hope that you and yours have been able to cope during this stressful time. Stay Safe!
FYI: If you get any wiki emails about some updates to old messages on your Talk pages, it's because I fixed some broken links caused by the forum/message wall technical retirements from two weeks ago. I replaced the old internal links with the new internal links. Cheers!--ArchieVist (talk) 01:14, September 25, 2020 (UTC)